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(Anonymous)
2009-01-24 12:11 am UTC (link)

That is just one side to the story...
As you know, there are many sides to the same story.
I think we can all agree that it's difficult to judge any situation unless you are in it.
If there was a solution to the problem in the middle east, it would have been done a long time ago. So far, seems like TIME is the only solution, and since we can't just stand around and wait for time to raise ppl's consiousness and awareness which is essentially what the REAL solution is, each side is reacting based on what is "right" for now.
Ppl need to know facts and not believe alot of the bull shit that is being said.
Someone who knows the real facts will feel compassionate towards both sides.
It always comes down to, "so what is the solution?"
We can only hope that the answer will come sooner rather than later.

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punky_inky
2009-01-24 02:44 am UTC (link)

I know it is...and I know there are. I want to know more, to see where the middle is. I want someone to explain this to me - 'this' being Chomsky's article. It cannot so easily be thrown off as 'bullshit', I have absolutely no doubt there is truth to much of it but of course we can't judge anything unless we're in the situation.

The problem is that civilians are not 'in the situation' as much as politicians are in terms of influence and in terms of action. There are intelligent people on both sides condeming the violence on both sides..they see how absolutely useless it is.

Of course there is no actual 'solution' but there have to be attempts. What we see now is a complete disregard for human life, I don't care what the intentions or the results because the situation is worsening. It has been worsening steadily and isn't that proof enough that a different approach is necessary? A completey different approach.

A different approach was the reason dor this article. This is propaganda from the other side and these are indeed the facts that the other side lives with on a daily basis. We all need to be aware of that side to be able to understand more thoroughly what we see from our own.

We have one absolute, undisputed fact - there is a country being built on borrowed land - violence is anticipated, expected but it has no goal. Right now it appears to be absolutely blind.

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	punky_inky 2009-01-24 02:47 am UTC (link)
	Chomsky, in his own way, is compassionate to both sides too or he would not have come to the conclusion that he did. He would not have quoted the one who asks for 'peace and quiet' But he is angry and blind, in a way, as well. That too is unacceptable. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-01-24 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	you know what I would say to everyone? Find someone to talk to and then we'll talk. If you care so much about your own ppl, why are you using them as human shields and then blaming others for being blood sucking monsters. When someone tells you they do not recognize your right of existence I want to know what other attempts can be made. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

punky_inky
2009-01-24 04:51 pm UTC (link)

you're missing my point. this was necessary to post so that we all know what the other side *is*.

someone tells me that bombing sabra and shatila was not necessary. there was no hamas there; there were only refugee camps. i've heard this from reporters and analysts as well but i was reluctant and i don't want to believe it.

'not necessary' is very subjective, i don't think we know all the facts. but the concensus is that it wasn't and i'd like to see some refutation from the side that did it. something 'reasonable'. but i don't see anything 'reasonable' here, where the death toll was known in advance, where nothing positive could have been achieved at all at all.

this is all besides the point.

each side is doing what it feels to be 'necessary'. one to get their land back, one to protect the land they were given. i think we can all reasonably agree that what is deemed to be 'necessary' on either side has gone beyond sane.

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	punky_inky 2009-01-28 04:06 am UTC (link)
	i would also like to point you to something (Reply to this) (Parent)